Drug & supplement interaction

Thunder God Vine + Leniolisib

Leniolisib brand name: Joenja.

Moderate Interaction
Medically reviewed by · Updated October 2026
The bottom line Moderate

Thunder God Vine has a moderate interaction with Leniolisib. Theoretically, thunder god vine might increase the levels and clinical effects of CYP3A4 substrates.

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SeverityModerate
LikelihoodPossible
EvidenceD
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Thunder God Vine and Leniolisib

Here is the interaction we found between these two, with the evidence behind it.

Moderate

CYTOCHROME P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) SUBSTRATES

Why this applies to Leniolisib

Leniolisib falls under CYTOCHROME P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) SUBSTRATES — the group Thunder God Vine interacts with.

Theoretically, thunder god vine might increase the levels and clinical effects of CYP3A4 substrates.
In vitro research shows that triptolide, a constituent of thunder god vine, inhibits CYP3A4 enzymes in human microsomes. This interaction has not been reported in humans.
Severity Moderate Likelihood Possible Evidence D

Interaction has been documented in animal or in lab research, or the interaction has been documented in humans but is limited to case reports or conflicting clinical research exists.

Dr. Brian Staiger, PharmD, BCPS
Dr. Brian Staiger explains PharmD, Clinical Pharmacist

Here's the idea with Thunder God Vine and Leniolisib (Joenja). Your body clears leniolisib mainly through a liver enzyme called CYP3A4. One compound in this herb, triptolide, has been shown in lab dish studies to slow that enzyme down. If it did the same thing inside a person, leniolisib could clear more slowly and build up a bit higher than expected.

Leniolisib is a working drug (not a prodrug), so higher levels would mean stronger effects and a greater chance of side effects like headache, diarrhea, or other reactions. That said, this is theoretical. It has only been seen in the lab, never confirmed in real patients. Since Thunder God Vine can be toxic on its own, please loop in your pharmacist or doctor before combining them.

Contact Dr. Brian directly if you have additional questions on this interaction
References
  1. Song W, Liu M, Wu J, Zhai H, Chen Y, Peng Z. Preclinical Pharmacokinetics of Triptolide: A Potential Antitumor Drug. Curr Drug Metab. 2019;20(2):147-154. PubMed

What These Ratings Mean

Every interaction above is graded three ways — here’s the key to each label.

Severity how clinically significant the interaction is
Major

Clinically significant. Avoid the combination, or use only under close professional supervision.

Moderate

Usually worth avoiding or managing — may need monitoring, a dose change, or timing apart.

Minor

Generally not serious. Be aware of it and mention it to your pharmacist.

Likelihood how strong the evidence is that the interaction actually happens in people
  • LikelyWell-controlled human studies have demonstrated the likely existence of this interaction.
  • ProbableInteraction has not been documented in well-controlled studies, however, the interaction has been demonstrated in some small human studies or in controlled animal studies in conjunction with multiple case reports.
  • PossibleInteraction has been documented in animal or in lab research, or the interaction has been documented in humans but is limited to case reports or conflicting clinical research exists.
  • UnlikelyInteraction has been demonstrated in animal or in lab research but has been shown not to occur in humans.
Evidence the quality of the studies behind the rating (graded A–D)
  • AHigh-quality meta-analysis (quantitative systematic review).
  • BCase-control study.
  • CConsensus.
  • DAnecdotal evidence.

These ratings are for information only. Never start, stop, or otherwise change your therapy before speaking with your provider.

Keep it in perspective

Thunder God Vine Also Interacts With Other Medications

Thunder God Vine has 850 moderate known drug interactions in our database — the Leniolisib one above is one of them. If you take anything else, check it against the full list below.

Moderate 850 No known interaction 1,980 (incl. Leniolisib)
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See Every Supplement That Interacts With Leniolisib

This page covers Thunder God Vine only. If you take other supplements — a multivitamin, a sleep aid, something for joints — the Leniolisib page lists 145 supplements it has a documented interaction with, worst first, each one explained.

The most serious there right now: Activated Charcoal (major), Grapefruit (major), St. John's Wort (major), Acacia Rigidula (moderate) and Adrafinil (moderate).

By severity: 3 major · 100 moderate · 42 minor.

From our pharmacist’s overview on the Leniolisib page

“Leniolisib (Joenja) treats APDS, a rare immune disorder, and it is cleared by the CYP3A4 enzyme, a pathway that runs through nearly this whole page: 121 of the 145 supplements and herbs on file can push its blood level up or down that way. That deserves genuine vigilance, starting with the three major entries.”

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How much people look this up

Where Thunder God Vine and Leniolisib Sit Against Everything Else

Out of every supplement and medication people look up on HelloPharmacist, here is where these two land this week — and which way each has been moving.

Supplement Thunder God Vine
Steady interest

#1,115 of 1,452 supplements looked up here in the last 7 days

29 days ago today
Medication Leniolisib
Steady interest

#1,553 of 2,830 medications looked up here in the last 7 days

29 days ago today

Position among everything looked up on this site, not a measure of how commonly either one is used or how important it is. A supplement can climb this list because of a news story. It counts every request to the page, automated ones included, and nothing here identifies anyone.

Supplement

About Thunder God Vine

What is Thunder God Vine?

Thunder God Vine
  • Rheumatoid arthritis
  • Lupus and autoimmune conditions
  • Inflammation
  • Skin conditions like psoriasis
  • Immune-related disorders

Thunder God Vine is a Chinese herb studied mainly for rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune conditions, with some promising but limited evidence. It can be toxic if prepared or dosed improperly, and may cause serious side effects, so it should only be used under medical supervision. Avoid it during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

Read the full Thunder God Vine monograph & all interactions
Medication

About Leniolisib

What Is Leniolisib Used For?

Brand name: Joenja

Leniolisib treats activated phosphoinositide 3-kinase delta (PI3Kδ) syndrome (APDS). This is a rare immune system condition.

Joenja is the brand supplied in this label. It is approved for adults and children 12 years of age and older with APDS.

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Other Drugs & Thunder God Vine

Browse every other medication we’ve checked against Thunder God Vine — both the ones with a known interaction and the ones without. Select any drug for the full detail.

0Major
850Moderate
0Minor
1,979No known interaction
850 Moderate 1,979 No interaction
Moderate

850 interactions

Showing 60 of 850 moderate interactions — see all 850 on the Thunder God Vine page.

No interaction 1,979 drugs checked — show the list

We also checked Thunder God Vine against these medications and found no known interaction in our sources. Open any page to confirm.

Showing the 60 most looked-up of 1,979 medications checked with no known interaction — see the full Thunder God Vine list.

See the full Thunder God Vine interactions page
See every supplement checked against Leniolisib, ranked by severity
Sources

Sources & How We Checked

Interaction details are evidence-graded and sourced from the Natural Medicines database. The medication overview comes from MedlinePlus.

Content is written and reviewed by licensed HelloPharmacist pharmacists. See our data sources and editorial standards for how this information is built and checked.

Parts of this content are provided by the Therapeutic Research Center, LLC.

DISCLAIMER: Currently this does not check for drug-drug interactions. This is not an all-inclusive comprehensive list of potential interactions and is for informational purposes only. Not all interactions are known or well-reported in the scientific literature, and new interactions are continually being reported. Input is needed from a qualified healthcare provider including a pharmacist before starting any therapy. Application of clinical judgment is necessary.

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Taking Thunder God Vine and Leniolisib Together: Common Questions

Can you take Thunder God Vine with Leniolisib?
There is a moderate interaction, so it may be acceptable with monitoring or timing changes — but check with your pharmacist first. Read the full details on this page and confirm with your pharmacist before combining them.
How serious is the Thunder God Vine and Leniolisib interaction?
We rate it Moderate. This combination may require monitoring, a dose adjustment, or separating the times you take each one. Consult your pharmacist before using them together.

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