Drug & supplement interaction

Thunder God Vine + Ciclesonide

Ciclesonide brand names: Omnaris, Alvesco, Zetonna.

Moderate Interaction
Medically reviewed by · Updated September 2026
The bottom line Moderate

Ciclesonide falls into 2 drug categories that Thunder God Vine can interact with; the most serious is rated moderate. Theoretically, thunder god vine might increase the levels and clinical effects of CYP3A4 substrates.

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SeverityModerate
LikelihoodPossible
Interactions2
EvidenceD
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Thunder God Vine and Ciclesonide

These two interact in 2 distinct ways. Each one is explained separately below.

Why Are There 2 Interactions?

Thunder God Vine interacts with whole categories of medication. Ciclesonide falls into 2 of those categories, so it can interact with Thunder God Vine in 2 different ways. We’ve listed each one below — your overall risk is driven by the most serious of them (Moderate).

Moderate

CYTOCHROME P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) SUBSTRATES

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Why this applies to Ciclesonide

Ciclesonide falls under CYTOCHROME P450 3A4 (CYP3A4) SUBSTRATES — the group Thunder God Vine interacts with.

Theoretically, thunder god vine might increase the levels and clinical effects of CYP3A4 substrates.
In vitro research shows that triptolide, a constituent of thunder god vine, inhibits CYP3A4 enzymes in human microsomes. This interaction has not been reported in humans.
Severity Moderate Likelihood Possible Evidence D

Interaction has been documented in animal or in lab research, or the interaction has been documented in humans but is limited to case reports or conflicting clinical research exists.

Dr. Brian Staiger, PharmD, BCPS
Dr. Brian Staiger explains PharmD, Clinical Pharmacist

Here's the situation with Thunder God Vine and your inhaler. Ciclesonide is actually a prodrug. It starts out inactive and your lungs and airway tissue convert it into its active form, which then gets cleared by an enzyme called CYP3A4. Lab studies (not real-world human cases) suggest a compound in Thunder God Vine called triptolide might slow that CYP3A4 enzyme down.

If that happened, the active steroid could hang around a little longer than usual. With an inhaled corticosteroid like Alvesco, most of the medicine stays local in your airways, so the risk is generally low. Still, since this herb can be toxic and needs medical oversight anyway, please check with your pharmacist or doctor before combining them.

Contact Dr. Brian directly if you have additional questions on this interaction
References
  1. Song W, Liu M, Wu J, Zhai H, Chen Y, Peng Z. Preclinical Pharmacokinetics of Triptolide: A Potential Antitumor Drug. Curr Drug Metab. 2019;20(2):147-154. PubMed
Moderate

IMMUNOSUPPRESSANTS

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Ciclesonide also falls under IMMUNOSUPPRESSANTS.

Theoretically, thunder god vine might enhance the effects of immunosuppressant drugs.
Large doses of thunder god vine may suppress immune function.
Severity Moderate Likelihood Possible Evidence D

Interaction has been documented in animal or in lab research, or the interaction has been documented in humans but is limited to case reports or conflicting clinical research exists.

Dr. Brian Staiger, PharmD, BCPS
Dr. Brian Staiger explains PharmD, Clinical Pharmacist

Here's the thing to know about pairing Thunder God Vine with your Ciclesonide inhaler (Alvesco) or nasal spray (Omnaris, Zetonna). Ciclesonide is a corticosteroid that gently calms down the immune activity in your airways. Thunder God Vine, especially in larger concentrated supplement doses, may also dial back the immune system. So in theory, using both could turn down your immune defenses more than either one alone.

I want to be honest that this is a theoretical concern based on how these things work, not something proven in real patients. Still, since inhaled ciclesonide mostly acts locally in your airways, the overlap is likely small. If you're thinking about trying this herb, please run it by your doctor or pharmacist first, since Thunder God Vine can be toxic if dosed wrong.

Contact Dr. Brian directly if you have additional questions on this interaction
References
  1. Zhen QS, Ye X, Wei ZJ. Recent progress in research on Tripterygium: a male antifertility plant. Contraception 1995;51:121-9.. PubMed
  2. Chen Y, Lu M, Feng Y, Gao Q. The effect and safety of low-dose Tripterygium wilfordii in patients with type 2 diabetic nephropathy: A meta-analysis. Medicine (Baltimore) 2022;101(52):e32504. PubMed

What These Ratings Mean

Every interaction above is graded three ways — here’s the key to each label.

Severity how clinically significant the interaction is
Major

Clinically significant. Avoid the combination, or use only under close professional supervision.

Moderate

Usually worth avoiding or managing — may need monitoring, a dose change, or timing apart.

Minor

Generally not serious. Be aware of it and mention it to your pharmacist.

Likelihood how strong the evidence is that the interaction actually happens in people
  • LikelyWell-controlled human studies have demonstrated the likely existence of this interaction.
  • ProbableInteraction has not been documented in well-controlled studies, however, the interaction has been demonstrated in some small human studies or in controlled animal studies in conjunction with multiple case reports.
  • PossibleInteraction has been documented in animal or in lab research, or the interaction has been documented in humans but is limited to case reports or conflicting clinical research exists.
  • UnlikelyInteraction has been demonstrated in animal or in lab research but has been shown not to occur in humans.
Evidence the quality of the studies behind the rating (graded A–D)
  • AHigh-quality meta-analysis (quantitative systematic review).
  • BCase-control study.
  • CConsensus.
  • DAnecdotal evidence.

These ratings are for information only. Never start, stop, or otherwise change your therapy before speaking with your provider.

Keep it in perspective

Thunder God Vine Also Interacts With Other Medications

Thunder God Vine has 848 moderate known drug interactions in our database — the Ciclesonide one above is among them. If you take anything else, check it against the full list below.

Moderate 848 No known interaction 1,982 (incl. Ciclesonide)
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See Every Supplement That Interacts With Ciclesonide

This page covers Thunder God Vine only. If you take other supplements — a multivitamin, a sleep aid, something for joints — the Ciclesonide page lists 166 supplements it has a documented interaction with, worst first, each one explained.

The most serious there right now: Grapefruit (major), St. John's Wort (major), Acacia Rigidula (moderate), Active Hexose Correlated Compound (ahcc) (moderate) and Adrafinil (moderate).

By severity: 2 major · 134 moderate · 30 minor.

From our pharmacist’s overview on the Ciclesonide page

“Ciclesonide (Alvesco, Omnaris, Zetonna) is a corticosteroid for asthma and nasal allergies, and even though it is inhaled rather than swallowed, its supplement list warrants genuine care. The body clears it through the CYP3A4 enzyme, and 121 of the 166 ingredients on file nudge that pathway one way or the other.”

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Where Thunder God Vine and Ciclesonide Sit Against Everything Else

Out of every supplement and medication people look up on HelloPharmacist, here is where these two land this week — and which way each has been moving.

Supplement Thunder God Vine
Steady interest

#1,128 of 1,452 supplements looked up here in the last 7 days

29 days ago today
Medication Ciclesonide
Top half

#884 of 2,830 medications looked up here in the last 7 days

29 days ago today

Position among everything looked up on this site, not a measure of how commonly either one is used or how important it is. A supplement can climb this list because of a news story. It counts every request to the page, automated ones included, and nothing here identifies anyone.

Supplement

About Thunder God Vine

What is Thunder God Vine?

Thunder God Vine
  • Rheumatoid arthritis
  • Lupus and autoimmune conditions
  • Inflammation
  • Skin conditions like psoriasis
  • Immune-related disorders

Thunder God Vine is a Chinese herb studied mainly for rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune conditions, with some promising but limited evidence. It can be toxic if prepared or dosed improperly, and may cause serious side effects, so it should only be used under medical supervision. Avoid it during pregnancy and breastfeeding.

Read the full Thunder God Vine monograph & all interactions
Medication

About Ciclesonide Oral Inhalation

What Is Ciclesonide Oral Inhalation Used For?

Brand names: Omnaris, Alvesco, Zetonna

Alvesco (ciclesonide) inhaler is approved for the maintenance treatment of asthma as a preventive therapy in adults and children 12 years of age and older. It is taken regularly to reduce airway inflammation and help prevent asthma symptoms — not to relieve a sudden attack.

Alvesco is not a rescue inhaler and should not be used to treat sudden wheezing or acute asthma episodes. It is also not approved for children under 12.

See full Ciclesonide Oral Inhalation drug information
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Other Drugs & Thunder God Vine

Browse every other medication we’ve checked against Thunder God Vine — both the ones with a known interaction and the ones without. Select any drug for the full detail.

0Major
848Moderate
0Minor
1,981No known interaction
848 Moderate 1,981 No interaction
Moderate

848 interactions

Showing 60 of 848 moderate interactions — see all 848 on the Thunder God Vine page.

No interaction 1,981 drugs checked — show the list

We also checked Thunder God Vine against these medications and found no known interaction in our sources. Open any page to confirm.

Showing the 60 most looked-up of 1,981 medications checked with no known interaction — see the full Thunder God Vine list.

See the full Thunder God Vine interactions page
See every supplement checked against Ciclesonide, ranked by severity
Sources

Sources & How We Checked

Interaction details are evidence-graded and sourced from the Natural Medicines database. The medication overview comes from MedlinePlus.

Content is written and reviewed by licensed HelloPharmacist pharmacists. See our data sources and editorial standards for how this information is built and checked.

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DISCLAIMER: Currently this does not check for drug-drug interactions. This is not an all-inclusive comprehensive list of potential interactions and is for informational purposes only. Not all interactions are known or well-reported in the scientific literature, and new interactions are continually being reported. Input is needed from a qualified healthcare provider including a pharmacist before starting any therapy. Application of clinical judgment is necessary.

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Taking Thunder God Vine and Ciclesonide Together: Common Questions

Can you take Thunder God Vine with Ciclesonide?
There is a moderate interaction, so it may be acceptable with monitoring or timing changes — but check with your pharmacist first. Read the full details on this page and confirm with your pharmacist before combining them.
Why are there 2 interactions listed for Thunder God Vine and Ciclesonide?
Ciclesonide belongs to more than one drug category, and Thunder God Vine interacts with each of those categories a little differently. We list every one so nothing is missed — your overall risk is driven by the most serious of them.
How serious is the Thunder God Vine and Ciclesonide interaction?
We rate it Moderate. This combination may require monitoring, a dose adjustment, or separating the times you take each one. Consult your pharmacist before using them together.

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